For trim that is merely glued on the surface (no rivets or such), you can use a fairly fine wire and "garrotte" the trim away from the surface. Charlie Koster Kagel Canyon, CA 1986 GTV-6 3.0S (mine) 1991 164S (hers) -- to be removed from alfa, see /bin/digest-subs.cgi or email "unsubscribe alfa" to majordomo@domain.elided