RE: a proposed alternate terminology (was: Define transaxle Alfa)

["Peter Webb" <webb.p@domain.elided>]

Long ago the Valants had one that somehow snuck into this country.   It was
a daily driver for Gary's wife.

This may be my faulty memory but I was sure I remembered it being a
conventional 115 setup.  Hertzman will clear this up I'm sure so I'll keep
quiet until he chimes in with the myriad of facts he carries around in his
mental suitcase.

-Peter

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Elliott [mailto:jee@domain.elided]
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 18:16
To: Alfa Romeo Digest
Cc: webb.p@domain.elided
Subject: RE: a proposed alternate terminology (was: Define transaxle
Alfa)


Peter, how'd you come to that conclusion?  I've admittedly never seen
a Giulietta Nuova in the flesh, but whereas the Alfa 6 is frequently
confused with a transaxle car, I've never heard the Giulietta Nuova
referred to as anything  besides a transaxle.

At 6:21 PM -0400 7/23/02, alfa-digest wrote:
>Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:53:30 -0500
>From: "Peter Webb" <webb.p@domain.elided>
>Subject: RE: a proposed alternate terminology (was: Define transaxle Alfa)
>
>It was stated the Guilietta "short truck" of the 80s was a transaxle car.
>It was indeed a conventional setup and although carries a 116 number,
>follows the drive train of a 115.
>
>- -Peter
>
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: owner-alfa@domain.elided [mailto:owner-alfa@domain.elided]On Behalf Of
>John Hertzman
>Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 22:02
>To: alfa@domain.elided
>Subject: a proposed alternate terminology (was: Define transaxle Alfa)
>
>
>Russ wrote:
>
>"The 'Transaxle' Alfas are the Alfetta in sedan and coupe versions, the
>GTV-6
>and the Milano.  The 164 may have a transaxle, but it is WRONG WHEEL DRIVE
>and
>therefore, deserves a different designation.  <GRIN>
>
>"There were other 'Transaxle' Alfas not imported here.  The short trunk
>Giulietta sedan comes immediately to mind.  I am not sure where if the SZ
>and
>RZ had a transaxle or not, but I think they must have as they did have a
>DeDion rear axle.
>
>"I guess the 'Transaxle' Alfas might have been know as the 'DeDion' Alfas
>just
>as easily."
>
>And Richard Welty poked a hole in the proposed transaxle/DeDion equivalency
>by
>adding the DeDion/non-transaxle Alfa 6, often called the Alfa Sei to avoid
>confusion with other six cylinder Alfas. (The "6" in the Alfa 6 probably
>referred to the six cylinder engine originally, but there was also a five
>cylinder version). Another possible objection to equating transaxles with
>DeDions is that some of the most famous Alfas had transaxles and swing
>axles,
>not DeDions.
>
>The distinction Russ draws between the proper "Transaxle" Alfas and the
>"WRONG
>WHEEL DRIVE" Alfas is also troubled, as the Alfa Romeo tipo AR 1090 of
>1959-1964 had a correct-end transaxle coupled directly to a wrong-end
>engine.
>I don't think we want to go there. (Many people don't consider it a "real"
>Alfa despite its name and badge.)
>
>I have long felt that it was reasonable to use Alfa's type numbers to
>distinguish the 105/115 cars from the 750/101 cars, as well as from each
>other
>in both cases. If that is accepted as reasonable, the analogous term for
the
>correct-end engine, correct-end drive, transaxle cars would be the 116/162
>cars, as the Alfettas, Giulietta Nuovas, and GTV 6 were all tipo 116 while
>the
>Alfa 90, 75, Milano, SZ and RZ are all tipo 162. (the Sei, and only the
Sei,
>is a tipo 119).
>
>John H.
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